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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Oct 15, 2010 9:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Post Jer

'Incarnations', 'core four', Other ones, family reunions, 'and friends', etc. etc. When you think about it, the surviving members of the Grateful dead really have produced a hefty body of work since that awful day in 1995.
Even those who really didn't even dig the band for the last decade (or two or longer) of their existence should be able to find something to appreciate, even if they rarely listen to any.
What have you thought about the 'projects' our boys have produced? I'm mainly interested in what you like or liked, as we get enough negativity and criticism as it is.
As for myself, I was fortunate to catch the Sunday show of the 'Terrapin Station Grateful Dead Family Reunion' (or whatever it was called) up at Alpine. I came away feeling that I had been blessed to hear some real fine music, from the headliners to Ratdog and throughout the day. I am not sure who played guitar, it may have been Warren and Jimmy, but I;m not sure. Maybe someone knows?
Also, I was at Alpine for an 'Other Ones' show, was it '01? Not sure. Couldn't part with the 60 or so bucks at the time so I just partied in the lot, which, to my dismay, was mostly tour rats and gutter punks who were trying to mooch anything they could from anybody. That's what I get for choosing to stay outside with the people too desolate to buy a ticket. They were available right at the gate so anyone who wanted to and had the means got in. Really there wasn't even much cool vending. Don't misunderstand, there was vending galore, just mostly poorly tie-dyed stuff and other run-of-the-mill 'hippy junk' like bracelets and small crystals and truckloads of blown glass pipes, bongs, burbulators, etc. that was ridiculously overpriced. I mean, even college kids aren't too likely to plunk down $150 for something to smoke weed with. Lots of pretty colors, though (snicker). As for tuneage, I listened to the show from a spot just outside stage left that few people knew about and where you could hear quite well, better than some spots on the lawn. 'YAWN' was my reaction, and I skeddadled outskees at drums to get the duck out of there and not get stuck all night from security rushing everyone out as quickly as possinble and causing a massive traffic jam.
Next up was a Ratdog show. I left after 5 songs. Yeah , I know, pretty early, but it sucked that bad as to kill all hope, and I didn't want to end up hating Bob Weir firever. I heard the recording and, had I stayed for the whole show, I would hate Bob Weir today.
Afterwards, I took a little break before succombing to my curiosity and attending the Joliet racetrack show on the day after the giant storm that destroyed the stage. Here's how this fiasco went down; gates didn't open until 5pm (original start time was 12 noon) due to storm clean-up, so spent 3+ hours to get in the lot when it should have taken 45 minutes' All acts except Dylan and the Dead group(not sure what they were calling themselves. Maybe the Dead?) were cancelled. Bummer cuz I was looking forward to some band who canceled (can't recall). Dylan sucked eggs solo. Joan ruined the Dead for me (esp. Sugaree- F'ing BARF!). The only really good part was when bob Dylan sat in! Ironic since I would have thought the opposite. Unbroken Chain was so long and boring, I about dozed off. They literally did the climactic jam 3 or 4 times. To think that I appreciate the stretching out of the tunes as much as anything the band does, this night, it did NOT work. Again IDK who played guitar. Walked out halfway through second set. Hastily assembled Shakedown was like something hastily assembled. Lame. GOT a couple burritos and jetted.
You'd think I'd give up, but I'm a trooper.
Phil and friends fall 2007 was amazing. Saw the 1st nite in Chicago. Jackie Greene was fantastic, Phil was a monster
and his whole cast rocked! ST.S was incredible, Eyes had me balling my eyes out in joyous rapture (NO PSYCHADELICS!), the MoftheMoon phenominal, I could continue, but dig up my review for more.
So The Dead on cinco de Mayo, '09, Warren on guitar- thoroughly enjoyed the whole show. Nothing mind-blowing, just plain good music- naysayers be damned! Did a great LitGrow-a tune suitable for Warren's style, Hellina Bucket was also great. As a side nite, I sat next to a 57 year old woman for the opener of the second set. It was her first 'Dead' show of any kind and SHE ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT! I thought that was pretty cool.
In conclusion, I've written far too long of a post and if you got this far you are probably really bored, but I will say that I plan to hit Chicago in November if only cuz I know John personally and he would probably let me backstage if he has that kind of clout. And because the shows posted here sound pretty darn good! Ain't the Grateful Dead, but as we know, there never will be another band like them.


PEACE and LOVE TO AL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 16, 2010 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Jer

I think Phils 99 lineups, especially the April shows with Trey and Page, produced some of the best most passionate stuff they did in a long time even with Jerry. I think Kimock was a HUGE factor

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 17, 2010 9:31am
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I agree jots . I am becoming very interested in Kimock's work . Page McConnell on keys and Kimock on guitar would be a huge upgrade if we were to play fantasy Furthur .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 16, 2010 7:22am
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Not bored, that was very interesting, thanks. Sums up my take as well. The complete body of work post-Jerry is very uneven, some of it's godawful and some of it's really good. Of course, much the same can be said for Jerry's final years too.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 16, 2010 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Jer

"I'm mainly interested in what you like or liked"

The Other Ones 10/14/2002

Set I
01. Crowd
02. St. Stephen >
03. The Wheel >
04. Cassidy
05. Broken Arrow >
06. Playin' In The Band >
07. The Other One Jam >
08. China Cat Sunflower >
09. I Know You Rider

Set II
01. Space >
02. Drums
03. Help On The Way >
04. Slipknot >
05. Franklin's Tower
06. Caution

01. Viola Lee Blues >
02. Hell In A Bucket >
03. Viola Lee Blues >
04. GDTRFB >
05. Viola Lee Blues >
06. Playin' In The Band Reprise >
07. Box Of Rain
08. Donar Rap
09. Only The Strange Remain

Robert Hunter played an acoustic set between TOO's sets. It was a magic night in SW VA. I will qualify this, I expect some of the magic was that I went to this concert with my 20 year old son and it was our first concert together.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Oct 17, 2010 8:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Jer

Iknow the thread is what people saw and liked or disliked as years went on.I, like you have walked out mid-set, but this was The Greatful Dead no imposters here but they were
that bad. To me Ratdog really is a waste of time and never saw Further or any other reincarnation. I did go to see The Dead in 09 and it's hard to describe.For me it confirmed that Warren Haynes can sit in w/ anyone who needs his services. The actual show was ok in some ways and just to painful in others.There's no replacing the main cog in any band.Jerry's vocals may have been strained at times but his axe play was incomprable....Lw
wheel ever.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 16, 2010 8:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Jer

I think it took them awhile to find a post Jer thing that worked . The best moments of the P+Fs bands have been pretty good because , he often emphasizes elements/songs/sounds that the Dead didn't do much . I feel it took Ratdog, longer to find it ; ironically , it was the tour where Kimock subbed in for Karan, that got my attention ! The actual "Dead" tours, somehow leave me not totally satisfied . I guess they make me miss the unreplaceable Garcia too much .
I like Furthur better,( the Grateful Dead NEVER did set lists like this !), but don't care for John's singing . I am trying to to enjoy his guitar playing more, but the fact that he sounds like Garcia , is a double edged sword . Mostly I think we are pretty lucky !

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 16, 2010 4:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Jer

O.K. B.T. I'll play .

This quote was too much by the end of your post .
" I'm mainly interested in what you like or liked, as we get enough negativity and criticism as it is. "
And what do you bloody do man , rag on on most of the different incarnations you have experienced . We just can't help ourselves I think . It's changed our neural pathways . Now a finely tuned antennae towards this music , brightened over time . And it's honest . You can lie about a lot , but I don't think you could really advocate and passionately write about GD that you hated .

My most intense moment , maybe in my whole GDish live life , happened 14 or so hours after Jerry's death . Ratdog was scheduled to play this evening and Bob decided not to cancel . It wasn't a crazy mob scene outside . Mostly ticket holders . It was like a funeral/ wake with hundreds of equally grieving family members inside . Very intense energy . There was some weeping , but not much . Most people wanted to dance . There were some bikers right upfront , sitting on the picnic tables . The rest were heads . The bar was doing brisk business .
Many were expecting a Wonder set list and got a Ratdog set list instead . An esoteric and quietish one at that . A lot of heart went into the music though . Bob opened the show with this , " So our departed friend , if he proved anything to us , that good music can make sad times better . We have are work cut out for us this evening , so we'll just get started ." Bombs Away was well chosen and an incredible rendition . Best ever ? Eternity gets better and better each year that goes by . Blackbird was very emotional . 2' in is such a sweet moment . Someone in the crowd sounds like his heart was just stolen , "AWW!" , he yells . Then someone yells , "Thank - you Bobby!" . Another perfect moment at 2:32' . K.C. Moan was a drink of cold water after that . It was a hit or miss night musically . Some of the unmentioned songs are awful , but we can give Bobby a pass here I think . Wasserman's Amazing Grace is beautiful . There weren't many songs to dance to all night so when Throwing Stones finally hit everyone that I could see , except the bikers , was up . This song and 3 - 24 - 90/2nd are the best dancing I have ever seen . People completely lost in the music . The tape cut masks the energy . Not my fav song , but this is my fav. rendition . There was a drum circle and chanting , " You know I love will not fade away " as we drove away .
I was close to the stage during certain parts of this show . I did not see any band member cry . Bob had a look of grim determination and did not 'rock - out' all night . He was hitting the red wine pretty hard near the end .

These first five songs may be the best post Jerry , wish I was there .

Sold are tickets driving into the parking lot for '01 . I hadn't listened to the GD in years and the CD's playing in the car were leaving us cold . Kelvin . We went out to dinner instead .

I enjoyed parts of '04 quite a bit . HTH , Mr. Charlie , Let it Grow , Shakedown , Whart Rat .
While I was there .

Dead in '09 twice . O.K. We were in the first few rows in Hartford ( thank-you Greg Vasso and MC ) and I just didn't see a lot of communication with WH . Plus MH bringing politics into the Drums sucked . KSM and Milestones is about it .

Seen Further three times , going to two more (MSG). I feel like I'm playing with House money every time I see them . And sometimes the music real good . And the lights . And the smiles . Dancing . It takes so little to make me happy now . Maybe soon you can just give me a rattle .

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Oct 16, 2010 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Jer

hey micah i'll be at MSG saturday night with a couple buddies. maybe we'll bump into each other without knowing it!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 16, 2010 11:25am
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Or we could MC . Between sets ?
Others ?

btw - Just so you know , I have 7 heads . At least .
They come and go .

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Oct 16, 2010 4:20pm
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sure, we can negotiate a meeting location if you like - dunno if you have my email already, but here it is: [deleted]

This post was modified by midnightcarousel on 2010-10-16 23:20:24

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 17, 2010 2:29am
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KSM? Khalid Sheikh Mohammad?

Thanks for the little story about the Ratdog show from 8/9/95. I'd forgotten that Bobby played that night, but I remember wanting to hear it.

I don't feel like writing much about the main topic right now. It's a little late. I'm just thinking about the first time I saw Ratdog play in 1997, not being terribly impressed, then seeing them on the opening night of the March 2001 Evening Moods tour and being blown away. Opened with Stranger, Bobby forgets the first line, classic. First time played for that one, as well as Mission in the Rain. Fantastic show, really nice Wasserman solo which also featured a little Amazing Grace tease, among others.

Though in short I agree with JOTS's comment about Phil. For me, Phil's bands brought me the most musical enjoyment. Some of the stuff he was doing was really "cutting edge," it felt like a band who was getting back to the serious jammy side of things, like some sort of modern 1968 meets 1974 hybrid or something. I loved something about all of those lineups from the late 90's but especially the "PLQ" lineup, they just might have been the greatest improvisational live band I have ever seen. I felt all of Phil's bands but they especially were really taking things in very interesting new directions. Lots of momentum. Then I saw him a couple times with the Jackie Greene lineup and was incredibly bored with it, it felt like he was backsliding. Well the shows weren't horrible or anything, I just thought they didn't reach anywhere near the peaks I heard in the 99-02 era.

I'm starting to write too much...I need to go to bed.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 17, 2010 9:26am
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KSM -> King Solomon's Marbles . Let me know if you find any . I get some kinda cut when they are sold at Sotheby's .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Oct 17, 2010 7:05pm
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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Oct 16, 2010 7:43pm
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Typical head, ain't I? I guess I did rag after calling for only positive comments. Ya got me there micah!
Just trying to call it as I see it.
Reading the responses, I remembered that I attended the Other Ones when Hunter did that acoustic set between electric OO's. I was disappointed that I could barely hear Hunter, and I think it was really good stuff for what I could make out. The OO's weren't half bad, not spectacular, and obviously not memorable since I forgot all about it last night. I do recall the Friend of the Devil that featured a outro jam that was pure acid-drenched weirdness. Went on for 3 or 4 minutes and was a very cool segment that crumbled away into I think it was BEW, and was intense trippy weirdness!

AGAIN- sorry for the schitzofrenic, hypocritical post last night- excuse: it was late and my brain was over-tired by the time I had gotton out all that needed gettin out.

I suppose its impossible to be a critic without criticizing.

Shoot, my spelling is horrid, sorry folks.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 16, 2010 8:16pm
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Oh , stop . We are no different . It's expected to be silly at least once and a while here if not more or all the time . Who hasn't / doesn't ?
Look at me . Ha Ha . It wouldn't take you long to find a thread either .
And I wouldn't go with schizophrenic or hypocritical either . Doesn't fit the overall gestalt .

Now on to far more important matters , like that criminally viscous spelling you subjected us too . And expressing an opinion ! Why , I ought to come over there right now .... Have you no shame man ?